1. Radom P35 Serial Numbers

Vis Radom Serial Numbers. Single line' German markings of 'F.B.RADOM VIS Mod. Radom P 35 Serial Numbers Fri. Model of the fourth series was.

Perhaps one of you that is more familiar with the Radoms can give me an idea of what I have here and what it may be worth. I bought this Radom used from a retired officer that had it in his collection. Looking at these two websites, I concluded that it is a WWII Nazi-Proofed Early Grade I German Vis Polish Radom 9mm Pistol: 'Grade I German Vis: First Nazi-manufactured guns.

With decocker, take-down latch and shoulder stock slot. Excellent quality, high-polish hot blue finish. Slide markings: 'F.B. Radom VIS Mod. Waffenamt acceptance mark and 'P-35(p)' were stamped below the first line. Frame was marked with 'WaA 77' (Radom) and proof marks '625' (Steyr). Serial numbers are located on the right side of the slide A0001 to Dxxxx.

Around 60 000 made in 1940.' From the website below, specifically a. The serial # is C7342. The S/N on the slide and the frame match, and it also has the '625' (Steyr) marks on the left had side of the slide. The barrel lug however, is marked with either a 627 or a 621. I suspect the barrel had been replaced at one time by the armory. It does have the lanyard and should stock slot.

Am I on track here? Does the barrel lug marking not matching the other serial numbers take away significantly from the gun value?

What would you guess-timate this gun to be worth? Below are links to some of the pictures. If anyone would like to examine it further, please drop me a PM and I can send you the hi-res pictures. Thanks in advance for your help! Great forum too by the way.

I can see I'll spent countless hours here. I was going to go out to Blue Book Publications and see what they had for a value on this pistol, but I didn't the serial number description: 'P.35 NAZI RADOM TYPE 1 - 3 LEVER & SLOT- rust blue, unblued barrel, lanyard loop, black VIS/FB plastic grips, many small parts ser. Numbered, ser.

01-12,500 & 1/A0001-1/E8000 (1st Series) prefix.' 'Serial number ranges use #### for the no alphabetical prefix series, 1#### for the first alphabetical prefix series, and 2#### for the second alphabetical prefix series. Mill marks are more prominent as the war progressed.' What does this mean?: 1#### for the first alphabetical prefix series, and 2#### for the second alphabetical prefix series.

Since mine is a CXXXX is that a 3? Sorry to seem like such a noob! I just want to get all the info available. If someone whats to take a peek at the page that lists all models, here you go: If someone already has access to this information and feels kind hearted and wants to save me $ 5, drop me a PM. Thanks again folks! Truly a beautiful pistol but the mismatched barrel hurts it.

As Francis said above, pricing is very subjective. Also, the Blue Book, like all price guides can at best be used in very general ways.

Market is governed by supply (in this case more or less finite, tending to ebb and flow as collections are released) and demand (often impacted by popular movies; Prvt. Ryan had a profound affect on US Weapons values as well as on HJ Knives!). Another major variable is economic/geographical factors. If matching and at a larger show in the Southeast, I would estimate 1000-1400. With the replacement barrel, half of that. My 2 cents, Keith.

Diffenitly a early German P35(p). If I read the marking on the trigger guard correctly and that's a 'M' under the eagle then its a Kreigsmarine issue. Most Kreigsmarine stamped guns are on the bottom of the Atlantic! I don't have my references handy (I'm away from home as usual) but will check when I get home. Is there anyone here that has a copy of 'Axis Pistols of WWII'? (red hard bound cover).

There are some excellent photos of the P35(p) in there along with production runs, variants, etc. I've got a later wartime model without the take down lever on the frame. Verry interesting Radom you have there! OK, I'm back home with my reference book 'AXIS PISTOLS' by Jan C.

Still pg 66 ref the VIS M1935 (RADOM) (P.35p) The Eagle proof on the trigger guard is not a Kreigsmarine (E/sw/M) but a German commerical proof (E/N). The slide markings indicate a later production late Grade II subvariation 2 (late) or early Grade III ('F.B. RADOM VIS Mod. 15567' there's is no Polish eagle (early models) nor Grade I -P.35(p) marking at end. Frame is not cut for the stock cut which was did away with Grade I subvariation 3 (late). It does have the take down latch. Here's the info for the last two grades Grade II Stock slot eliminated; military-blue finish; stamped left slide legend 'F.B.

RADOM VIS Mod. 15567 P.35(p)'; both E/WaA77 or E/77 and E/623 acceptence stamp; barrel-recoil spring-guide in the white; Est prod 144,000 Grade II Subvariation 2: Wihout 'P.35(p)' on slide legend and at about serial number NO1 change to late E/77 acceptance stamp; the following changes also occur: elimination of finger clearance cuts; red, brown or black plastic or checkered wood grips; riveted trigger assembly; large grip screws and hollow head pins; serial range M8400 to Z2000. Est prod 73,600 Grade III: Take down latch eliminated; slide legend 'F.B. RADOM VIS Mod.

15567'; large grip screws; red, brown or black plastic or checkered wood grips; riveted trigger assembly; hollow head pins; hammer modified with a notch to hold slide open for disassembly; rough fit and machining with military-blue or phosphate finish; change to one piece recoil guide at about J serial block; serial rane Z2000 to K9150. Est prod 107,000 As far as the serial number goes its a mystrey. Serial numbers are in blocks of 10,000 with alphabetic prefix (there are no I, O, Q V, X or Y blocks known) Total production Poles: 18,000 German Army 313,000 Kreigsmarine 1,000 with E/M and N property number. Originally Posted By CombatDiver: OK, I'm back home with my reference book 'AXIS PISTOLS' by Jan C. Still pg 66 ref the VIS M1935 (RADOM) (P.35p) The Eagle proof on the trigger guard is not a Kreigsmarine (E/sw/M) but a German commerical proof (E/N).

The slide markings indicate a later production late Grade II subvariation 2 (late) or early Grade III ('F.B. RADOM VIS Mod.

15567' there's is no Polish eagle (early models) nor Grade I -P.35(p) marking at end. Frame is not cut for the stock cut which was did away with Grade I subvariation 3 (late). It does have the take down latch.

Here's the info for the last two grades Grade II Stock slot eliminated; military-blue finish; stamped left slide legend 'F.B. RADOM VIS Mod. 15567 P.35(p)'; both E/WaA77 or E/77 and E/623 acceptence stamp; barrel-recoil spring-guide in the white; Est prod 144,000 Grade II Subvariation 2: Wihout 'P.35(p)' on slide legend and at about serial number NO1 change to late E/77 acceptance stamp; the following changes also occur: elimination of finger clearance cuts; red, brown or black plastic or checkered wood grips; riveted trigger assembly; large grip screws and hollow head pins; serial range M8400 to Z2000. Est prod 73,600 Grade III: Take down latch eliminated; slide legend 'F.B.

RADOM VIS Mod. 15567'; large grip screws; red, brown or black plastic or checkered wood grips; riveted trigger assembly; hollow head pins; hammer modified with a notch to hold slide open for disassembly; rough fit and machining with military-blue or phosphate finish; change to one piece recoil guide at about J serial block; serial rane Z2000 to K9150.

Est prod 107,000 As far as the serial number goes its a mystrey. Serial numbers are in blocks of 10,000 with alphabetic prefix (there are no I, O, Q V, X or Y blocks known) Total production Poles: 18,000 German Army 313,000 Kreigsmarine 1,000 with E/M and N property number. CD Thanks for the info.

Radom P35 Serial Numbers

This gun DOES have the stock slot though. Check this thread out for more info if your interested - http://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=17812. Polishmike, Thanks for the link. I do believe you have a unique factory Radom. The frame appears to be an earlier model perhaps left in the white at the factory then mated to a later slide (or perhaps the slide was never stamped at the time) and given later slide engraving with a mid wartime finish. The #12 stampings would indicate limited test production????

So, in all this rambling early test Polish pistol in white give mid wartime slide markings and finish. Still uncertain as to lack of German Army Acceptence marks? (FYI the Radom factory was captured by the Germans on 12 Sep 39) CD.