Hi, after this update i have some issue. When i start Rappelz all my system become slow. I can log on server but the moving around is impossible. When i write the leter have about one second dealy to be written. This issue affect all my pc and if i close the client all come back to normal. Is it happend only to me?

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Since this week’s Windows update has led to compatibility problems with GameGuard, we have just published a GameGuard patch to fix the issue. The next time.

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I have the same problem and others in game also with the same issue on Baphomet server. I did have the issue in the past with my logitech G15 keyboard so I thought it might be that. Updated the drivers and that made no difference.

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Can't move around using WASD, typing is extremely slow, and even hot bar commands are slow to respond. This is a really annoying issue, especially as my laptop isn't affected. It was working fine about 5 hours ago, but now I have the issue. Game is almost not worth playing while it is like this.

I know some of you like me have issues with nProtect Gameguard for various reasons. I personally won't put it on my PC due to past experiences and the issues it has caused. NProtect Gameguard is an anti-cheat root toolkit developed by INCA Internet. GameGuard hides the game application process, monitors the entire memory range, terminates applications defined by the game vendor and INCA Internet to be cheats (QIP for example), blocks certain calls to Direct X functions and Windows APIs, keylogs your keyboard input, and auto-updates itself to change as new possible threats surface. It's known to cause pc instability which includes common BSoDs, deletion of harmless files and drivers, such as one for gaming keyboards/mice(example: Logitech G510 and G710+), anti-virus and firewall programs.

Since GameGuard essentially works like a rootkit, players may experience unintended and potentially unwanted side effects. Since the game's process cannot be stopped from the task manager, if the protected game has an infinite loop or hangs in any way, it is effectively impossible to close without logging out or restarting the computer. This is even more frustrating since GameGuard checks if it is already running on the game's launch and does not permit the player to start a new instance in such cases. NProtect GameGuard is not like other anticheat programs out there. If you decide to remove the game, Gameguard will stay in your system as there is no uninstall feature.

Some of the.dlls will be removed with the game but some will be hidden in your system. You have to manually uninstall them which includes editing the registry. Being there is in fact.exe files left in your system it can run when INCA decides to and it can still scan your system memory and keystrokes.

For those that argue that the Gameguard rootkit can't run without the game running or being in their pc, this is false. I figured I would compile a list of games that I have seen and read about that have Gameguard. If you know of any games not listed please post and I'll be happy to update the list. I'm hoping that after learning about Gameguard that the MMORPG.com staff would consider including whether a game has nProtect Gameguard with it when they list a game due to the huge issues and concerns there is with the program. 4Story 9Dragons Albatross18 Alliance of Valiant Arms ArchLord Asda Story Asda 2: Evolution ASTA: The War of Tears and Winds - NEW Black Shot Blade & Soul - NEW BOTS C9: Continent of the 9 Cabal Online Cal Ripken's Real Baseball Chronicles of Spellborn City Racer - NEW Club Audition Counter-Strike Online Cronous Dance! Online Dark Arena Dekaron (2Moons) Deco Online Digimon Battle Digimon Masters Online - NEW Digimon RPG Divine Souls Dragonball Online Dragonica Online Drift City Dungeon Fighter Online Elite Lord Of Alliance (ELOA) - NEW Elsword Emil Chronicle Online Exteel FIFA Online 2 Fiesta Online FlyFF GameCampus dot com - All games from this site use Gameguard. I wanted to play Audition USA a bit again after a long absence.

Gameguard won't let me - it identifies me as evil cheater cause I'm using a logitech mouse with hotkeys. Hmm sure gives me a huge advantage over other players when I have emoticons on buttons in a rythm game. PS: Grunty is right though Gameguard is used by shitty companies for shitty games.

I played some of those on your list and all of them had plenty of cheaters. Gameguard only blocks obvious modifications such as the hotbuttons but it doesn't stop 'hacks' with actual bad intentions.

Originally posted by Dakeru I wanted to play Audition USA a bit again after a long absence. Gameguard won't let me - it identifies me as evil cheater cause I'm using a logitech mouse with hotkeys.Hmm sure gives me a huge advantage over other players when I have emoticons on buttons in a rythm game. PS: Grunty is right thoughGameguard is used by shitty companies for shitty games. I played some of those on your list and all of them had plenty of cheaters. Gameguard only blocks obvious modifications such as the hotbuttons but it doesn't stop 'hacks' with actual bad intentions. I can't say all the games on the list are shitty games, I think there are like 2 or 3 I played long ago I had fun on that are on the list. Gameguard is just a bad program and some developers know that now and that's why some went to other anticheat programs like X-Trap.

There are a lot of companies out there that just want to stop hackers and cheaters, which is a good thing. It's not that the anticheats don't do what they are supposed to, it's the fact the hackers come up with new hacks faster than the anticheat programmers can update. Do you know of any other games that use GG that aren't on the list?

Originally posted by Dakeru, the games I played were all part of Alaplaya/Pro7 and were killed one by one.I don't think X-Trap is that much better btw. Originally posted by 13lake Crossfire is the most played game in the world so i don't think it counts as shitty I've never even heard of the title so my guess is, that it's not as you claim.

Xtrap I haven't encountered any issues with and it doesn't seem to leave anything running on your pc when the game shuts down. I believe you can uninstall it like most programs under the uninstall window via control panel. Just wanted to throw this out there about Crossfire. The game is probably one of the biggest F2p games out there.

It's actually a huge Fps game, it's fun but GG is on it. And holy smokes. Crossfire pulled cash than League of Legends, World of Tanks and WOW in f2p purchasable items.

That's crazy. Almost 1 Billion dollars last year. Cudos to Crossfire. And they removed Gameguard, so I'm going to remove Crossfire from the list. I know some of you like me have issues with nProtect Gameguard for various reasons. I personally won't put it on my PC due to past experiences and the issues it has caused.

NProtect Gameguard is an anti-cheat root toolkit developed by INCA Internet. GameGuard hides the game application process, monitors the entire memory range, terminates applications defined by the game vendor and INCA Internet to be cheats (QIP for example), blocks certain calls to Direct X functions and Windows APIs, keylogs your keyboard input, and auto-updates itself to change as new possible threats surface. It's known to cause pc instability which includes common BSoDs, deletion of harmless files and drivers, such as one for gaming keyboards/mice(example: Logitech G510 and G710+), anti-virus and firewall programs. Since GameGuard essentially works like a rootkit, players may experience unintended and potentially unwanted side effects. Since the game's process cannot be stopped from the task manager, if the protected game has an infinite loop or hangs in any way, it is effectively impossible to close without logging out or restarting the computer. This is even more frustrating since GameGuard checks if it is already running on the game's launch and does not permit the player to start a new instance in such cases.

NProtect GameGuard is not like other anticheat programs out there. If you decide to remove the game Gameguard will stay in your system as there is no uninstall feature. Some of the.dlls will be removed with the game but some will be hidden in your system. You have to manually uninstall them which includes editing the registry. Being there is in fact.exe files left in your system it can run when INCA decides to and it can still scan your system memory and keystrokes.

I figured I would compile a list of games that I have seen and read about that have Gameguard. If you know of any games not listed please post and I'll be happy to update the list. I'm hoping that after learning about Gameguard that the MMORPG.com staff would consider including whether a game has nProtect Gameguard with it when they list a game due to the huge issues and concerns there is with the program. 2Moons (revision 1222) 4Story 9Dragons (revision 1057) Albatross18 Alliance of Valiant Arms ArchLord Asda Story Asda 2: Evolution Black Shot Blade & Soul - NEW BOTS (revision 1057) C9: Continent of the 9 Cabal Online (Some other versions use XTrap) Cal Ripken's Real Baseball Chronicles of Spellborn Club Audition Counter-Strike Online (Asian market only) Cronous Dance! I am just glad that ArcheAge ditched both Hackshield and Gameguard - both of them sucked and didn't offer any protection at all. Same goes with Xigncode3 - complete waste. None of these 'anti-cheat' memory resident programs that run as system service with full access to everything on your PC do any kind of actual protection period.

They are all ridiculously easy to bypass. IMO - they more of a 'feel good' label - to make players feel like something is actually being done - when it fact they don't do anything to protect the games from cheating. The fact that you have to manually remove all left over files for a piece of software is nothing special or unprecedented. You'll be surprised how many programs actually leave traces within your computer. You should really take a look at your computer if you're only pressing the 'Uninstall' button within the Program and Features list.

True - however - when uninstalling a game that installs - lets say Xigncode3 - you'd assume that if you uninstall the game - Xigncode3 would also get removed. It stays installed as a system service the entire time - there is no uninstall option for it in programs period. You have to find the sys file, remove it, - go to registry and delete the entries in there - reboot and this will remove the service. It's pretty shitty.

Here's a thread on how to remove it. Whole set of BS about GameGuard.

Yes, it's a anti-cheat tool that legit players have the most disadvantage of, but you can turn it off on PC start completely so that it only runs when the game runs. With that, I've played Lineage II since 2005 and only had a few problems with it and my Logitech G11 keyboard because of some updates, as well as my anti-virus software seeing it as a potential threat. OP not being able to use his G510 and G710+ is utter BS as well. My guess is that he's using the old drivers that were delivered with them and those are badly outdated. Download and install the Logitech Gaming Software (version 8.74.80) and they'll work normally.

Heck, the LGS eevn works with FROST (Innova's anti-cheat software that's even more strict than GG). Only reason for me NOT to play games that use GG is that it's so damn easy to bypass and games using it are flooded with bots.

Whole set of BS about GameGuard. Yes, it's a anti-cheat tool that legit players have the most disadvantage of, but you can turn it off on PC start completely so that it only runs when the game runs. With that, I've played Lineage II since 2005 and only had a few problems with it and my Logitech G11 keyboard because of some updates, as well as my anti-virus software seeing it as a potential threat.

OP not being able to use his G510 and G710+ is utter BS as well. My guess is that he's using the old drivers that were delivered with them and those are badly outdated. Download and install the Logitech Gaming Software (version 8.74.80) and they'll work normally.

Heck, the LGS eevn works with FROST (Innova's anti-cheat software that's even more strict than GG). Only reason for me NOT to play games that use GG is that it's so damn easy to bypass and games using it are flooded with bots. No where did I mention those were my keyboards and that I couldn't use them. I used 2 examples of mechanical keyboards that have had issues by multiple users. What I stated was -'It's known to cause pc instability which includes common BSoDs, deletion of harmless files and drivers, such as one for gaming keyboards/mice(example: Logitech G510 and G710+), anti-virus and firewall programs.' Reading skills are important, use them cause it's very obvious you didn't. You made assumptions and tried putting words in my mouth and also tried to talk down to me.

Besides the things I mentioned, you make comments about the subject matter that you clearly don't know about. I use a G700 and F710 with LGS and the controller software. It's not caused me any problems. I haven't had problems with GG, Hackshield, and the others since I had an old Pentium when I played Lineage.

I'm currently playing ASTA on that list with no issues. I don't really like the anti-hack software and think it's pretty useless, but it's not caused me any problems for years now. Maybe people who macro a ton and write advanced macros trigger the issues since the games don't want users to do that.

There are many games on that list that aren't even running anymore and the list has duplicates. I use a G700 and F710 with LGS and the controller software. It's not caused me any problems. I haven't had problems with GG, Hackshield, and the others since I had an old Pentium when I played Lineage.

I'm currently playing ASTA on that list with no issues. I don't really like the anti-hack software and think it's pretty useless, but it's not caused me any problems for years now. Maybe people who macro a ton and write advanced macros trigger the issues since the games don't want users to do that. There are many games on that list that aren't even running anymore and the list has duplicates. I understand that not everyone is going to have issues with running it. That doesn't mean others won't though. The things I've listed are known issues when it comes to Gameguard though.

I've only found 1 that I listed twice. The other was Rohan and one is the English version and the other is not I believe. This list was posted a long time ago and I've been adding to it. If some of the games on the list aren't around anymore, feel free to post which ones and I'll remove them from the list.

Also if you see something that's not correct feel free to let me know and I'll correct it. OP, just wanted to make a correction. Darkeden is not 2 moons. It's a diablo-like mmo.

Dekaron is 2 moons. As for the topic itself. I played/tried most of those games. Most are boring and generic, but i never had any problems with GG, or any other thingy they install.

Thanks I've corrected the game title. As I've mentioned to Toval, I do understand that not everyone will encounter issues, it doesn't mean others won't. Those issues that I've listed are things that have been reported over the years by many different players.